An interview is meant to be a give-and-take situation.
A good friendship should always have a give and take from both people involved.
He construes the give and take of the debate-game with extreme rigour.
To humans, it would look like the natural give and take of a long battle.
Denying any form of moral sense or conscience, he regards all the social virtues as evolved from the instinct for self-preservation, the give-and-take arrangements between the partners in a defensive and offensive alliance, and the feelings of pride and vanity artificially fed by politicians, as an antidote to dissension and chaos.